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,.foncton ""' i lumy J nint A G- END A. WED NES DAY, 13th J ULY, 1887. I -D l\'I::'ll)" or H FSl'U\SIB ll.I TY L E.\ SF. -DI STJHCT P ROT EST J'<: •• L'rn IJ!\I>• .\\L> ,. l, p 1rr I\ .\rbitration ·· Th:it. :I:-' th. D: ... t11r' trn.rn" 11\·er tLl· Co11 in1ttt·1•:-- hnc do HPt. "' wnrki11a \.X'[l 1 .. ( .... , tl11• allow:11 ct• tn thP Jli .. tril' Comp3.ny. ·• whidL ( li11r:-. t 1 ''l;\"L' to w1.1r"" -.a1.._h tr:lin:-". be fLll ... 1,,f'(l '"to 11iuq1c11c p r ." .. rhat the allow'lllt't to all ( 1nnp:rnil'" \\'1)rkin;.! tr.'\tn:- l\)r th\ .],,int '" ('ommillt-r ht• rn11• }'l'r mill' fnnn I ;-;.t ,July. l ""' · • •o f OHP :-h illing and Llll\'l'Pl'lll'l' iwr m1 lL• a:- at FHO \I ;\'. F XT AXn Hnn n) '1 .\I\ T.\ t '\ t' ' T11 c:on!-'i 1le r . .:\ I ETHOl' OLIT,\\ Cr.ADI, £7 [ 1d 1Ht Hn \ 1', '\ r" C r.l':-..:-.. . L8 rn I.A ST To Sul1111it.
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A G-ENDA.
WED NES DAY, 13th J ULY, 1887.
I -Dl\'I::'ll)" or H FSl'U\SIB ll.ITY l"Xl>l~n L E.\ SF. -DISTJHCT co~I PA!'.' Y 'S P ROT EST
J'<: • • L'rn IJ!\I>• .\\L> J :x:n:\'~Jo\!:i ,. T1~.\ITIC.
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·· Th:it. :I:-' th. D: ... t11r' trn.rn" 11\·er tLl· Co11 in1ttt·1•:-- hnc do HPt. p:~:
"' wnrki11a \.X'[l 1 .. ( .... , tl11• allow:11 ct• tn thP Jli .. tril' Comp3.ny.
·• whidL ( ~ li11r:-. t 1 ''l;\"L' to w1.1r"" -.a1.._h tr:lin:-". be fLll ... 1,,f'(l
'"to 11iuq1c11c p r r1.I~ ."
.. rhat the allow'lllt't to all ( 1nnp:rnil'" \\'1)rkin;.! tr.'\tn:- l\)r th\ .],,int
'" ( 'ommillt-r ht• rn11• ~hillin'.,! }'l'r mill' fnnn I ;-;.t ,July. l ""' · in~:,·:ll1 ••of OHP :-h illing and Llll\'l'Pl'lll'l' iwr m 1lL• a:- at pn· ~ l'llt."
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TIIE EAST LONDON RAILWAY JOINT CO)I~1ITTEE.
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J' , '-)[1:. FE\"'W\, 'In. l'OHllFS. JfH. HELL. :l[n. STEE i{. .Jln. l'O\\TLI., .JIH. \\'llITT.\.:IL
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The .\.HBITH.\.TOTI; I thiuk Yon J;oth u11dcr,1:m<l 1ht· J>arli<nlar pu:nt \\Leh ,,.<.: :trl! ~it tinµ ht·re to ·~e'. th~.
Jir. FOn!lES; 1!011· doc' it 'taJH] :l[r. J(o\'Hihan > J!r. JIU) .\'ILL\.:\: It is n·flrrt:1l J.y the .. Jui11t l">lllllli!k<• LO .\lr.
T"11na1.t tn dl'cid" whether in hi' :nl'anl tJi,, tr:ifli<' O\'d' th1• r:<i]\\':l\·, :t11d the Ea't J.ondunllailway indu<lt:s that which pas'"'"""" 'h" ('it,: Linl'; a2.1l E:-.:~cz::-.il\ll".
The Al:BlTR.\TOR : I ha,-c a roJ>:· of then-solution h .. r ... :llr. :IIOYC\Ill.\X : I ~h11w in m1· ll'lt .. r to :lfr. 'l't1111anl thal tlH
statunent \vhich was sul;mittccl to tlH: C'ommiltec, 1 thi11k la,t .Ja11u:ir.'·· inclmJ,, traflic pa"i·.~ OH·r the City Lint·s and ln111·r ('irck l·:xll'nsi1111, on h .. as'Ul'ljition that that traflic 11·11s to hl' di\'i1l1·tl li..tw"en th" l\I ·trop11lit:m a11tl the Di,tri<:t Company; antl on th<' a''11mptio11. fur1h1r , that n wa< to he th1· lm,is on whil'h traflic was to he !b'<'"!'d in l'u11-trilmti11g lO\\'anls the loss u11der this Ji.ase.
)Jr. l'OHBES : \\ 1:11, I am not the d:iimant in th" <'""" . Ir. FE);TO.\' : I thought the <j11<·'t ion was r11i>l'1l I 1.'· I h1• Di,tril'I
Company. . \ II thl' other companir> arv agri·ed . The .\.HlllTIL\.TOH ; If there is any ilonbt about it """ 1·:111 r,.:11l
the letter datNl April ] :)th. Th"re was· a protest fro1n t l1t: .\Jtotn1poli1.:u1 Distnct Com pan~·. The better plan will be to take this pri11ti·1 l dnl'n ment as being what we ha\'c to th-a l \\'ith. Jt is Xo. ;,; I. I J 1 h .\I :11. J b7. r .. rhaps you will rea<l it? .
'Ir. Jl01.\'lll.\.X : By dl'.sirc o f thP Arbitrato r J«·ail minul<' \I" :,; j: "]Jivisio11 of rcspun>ibility under Ll'ast'. llis<1·11·\ l'1 1mpam ·,
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h(• pn·p.1rc:cl to t!"in~ ... omc rea,on" why he think~ they ought to be iucJwlt.•cl.
.\J r. FOHBE': Y,·ry wvll, if I run to i.J<>gin l ohall, o f como~. stat<: lll\ c·1-. ,·en· bri1·Jh·.
· J'ir:--1 ;1f all . ·[ :-.11pplhC ii mu-.L ht.• a. m:\ttl·r of ronstrnct ion elf thL· ,\ c:. of P;irliallll'lll Tl11• lir"t 111:t1!1•r lo hp th•fl>rmincd i~, whl'tln·r tlil' ( ,i~' l .irn .... a111l lh1·.l1•i11t Ctimmittl't' in whidt tho"'l' Lines arc i'r.tt . .:ti< ill.' ' ·-.rt:".d art• jc1intly "'l'i.,~·ll. 'l'h:tt j.., tilt• fir ... l point th:tt h:-is to ht" ... di t..·l 1 -.h:ill l't1lllt..•111l, fdr th1· 11urp11'"'t' of µ1•ttit1'..! a <lt..·1·isi11n upon that lll\1~tr, t.·i'her of \1n11·-., !f. or ot' a l1''.":tl mi11d , th:tt th1·y an· not.; .1:.d tlttt Int lwiu~ i•:irt;c ... tt.> th1• \ µT1·t.·Htt·nt nf 1 "'.S2, th;·y ar1· nut bound I y 1· 1.In1111t kno\\" th:1t l 1:, ··il !!n fnrth ·r than that-than mcr1 1, r~1 ... t,at tint 1·a ... l'. TIH• p:trlit·:-i to thl' 11·:\"'l' :\n.• di .. 1i1\l'tly si·l
l°Prth Ill tla \\'t t1f l1adi:1m1·nt. Thi._, .. ar1• th1· ~outh l·::t .. tt·rn ('01npany, t' t.. Lo 1h11 ·u d Bri~ .. !"11tnn (\Hllp:lll_Y, tlw Chatham and 1)1,Yt·r Cu111pany. i · \lt lt\1p\1lit lll l '11111pa11y, :rnd tin• .\lt'lropolit:u1 J)i ... trict Cumpany. l'h· .\ .. ~ r,· t:.1· jni t ll• ...... 1 ..... , wh1> arv l111t111d to m:tk1· ~1)1ul the re· t:tl, aftl·r Ln :IL' p:i.i I t.lh· \\'ork:n·-! t':XJh'll~t'"' · ui' tlH· l·~ :hl I.on 11111 H·tilway. in '"'Ul'h I roportil•! .... :l" :nt \. rl1itra!lH' w:ty tl~·, : dt-. Yuu 1 l•·1 ·id1· it. a..;. I 11wkr -.u•··L 11!H..'II: 1h 1: principlt•. Th11.;,• lhilw:1y.,, a" l ... ti1l lwfor1'. :tr1..• praetil·:1:h \l "''lil 111 tht• .Jpi11t ('11mmitt1·1·. Tl1t·\· ~1n· \\'•1rk1·<l !1\· tlu· .J oint l\mu.uttt..-t'. 'l'htir profit~ :l!Hl r1·\"t'llll .... arl' ~p··1·ili1 · :tlly appr;1pri:ttl·(l by tlu" \.ct 111 Ptrl.:t1111·1n to tht• particnl:tr thin'..! ... anll an· nnt, to be t:t'-\:l'll 1Jut of 1ha :lpprdpri:1tio11 for :-.,11111..· oth1·r p:trp11:-:1" It i-.; op·n to th1· 'ilH -.•111n-t f 1·out"·•l1 I ~ay tlii" with µTl'al n·-.pttl-Whl'1l1vr the \rLi·ra:1Jr h:b :un· fn111·tiun in this nut·l'r at all-:n f:u..~t,
wht•fl• T · lt' _\.rbit.r'\tnr t''lll 1le:tl witl1 th1• rv\'t'll\l1'" of thflo jnint Ii· .... l!l :lll_\' l·t ... ~ i,111 c1>n:r:try tn 1111• :-ip1·1·iil1· ;1~l•h':Lti11?l of tl10~(· r ,.r, IH'" Ull;!t:r tl!t' \. ·t of l 1a 1·li:t1nt·111. 1T1·:i~ill'..£ thl'm - tla; .\.ct ,1f 1...,i~I. \'"11·1. :-.ir. h:t\'t• h:t<l tht•-.1 · m:tttt·r" hc..f11r1." yuu ;-;u frt·•tuen!ly !h~it Y· 11 :-!.rl· pn1b:tl1ly 1·\·t:a rnnn· fa1niliar with tl1em tlnn r :un: lint l rm-.· ·1-.i\. yunr pn·l:mi1nry ll1·1.- .. i1111 upnn th:tt p11int-\\"hl'lh1-r you 'Pl' yonr w·1y ~n 1tl:lkt· :tn a\\'•tnl whivh will int1·dvr1· with th1· appropria. t : o1~ l'i t' ... rl·\·l..'lttk ... nf tlte t 1i•,· l.illl~ ... and appJ,,· th1·111 tu :t p:1rp1l:-.1..· HP~ 'l'<'eilinlh· c111tt1·1t1pl:tt<'d In· 1fie .\ct Pl I 'arli:tlll<'lll n,•:ttinc; thvm :ind de:dint! wiil1 tlH·ir rvn·JllH'?
Tlte .\ l!BITl1.\T( lit: \\-h:1t p:1rlil'ttl:tr datt><' dP you rdvr In ° ~[r. FUlWI-> : You will "'" tltt· .\d pro1·i,k1 tint th .. npi1:1 l of
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1~ C 1tn{'1.ll\'" i..; to b~ r;ti:--t.·:l in a. \·arid\" nf 111:lllll{'l'", 01n• 11t' \\'hich t:1a•lltcr- w:ts· rnh«'•1u .. 11th· <·xte11,l1·d 111· th•· ~ l ..irnpnli t:rn \ ,·t .,f 1 '>'ll. I ti ink I rn·c!ht bvgiu liy.rea<ling, · •i,»11 :-..'> of thl' .\ \'I pf I >;j!l . whi<"h -hows what you arc to do. Th:tt '"'.' :-·· Tl tt· Lin> ( \>11tp:t11i"' -11:111 ha1·<' equa l rights each with tit<• other. in all re-p<'t'l< :h t<> working n\·t..'r aTHl u~i11µ-, and may respl•1·tin·ly wc..lrk n\·cr a11il use th1• joint 11111ll'rtakinµ', a11d the wul'ks stations and conn·nit11<·t·:-> thr•n·of and JH.l <Hh·ant:I'.!<' >hall lie c:in·n t11 <·ilh~r ('11mpo1ny 10 the prt•judict• of llw other: l'ro1itkd tha th,• r:tl<'' to h<· p:tid b1· ""'·h ('ompa11.r fnr 1h,, con_,·,:ya11\c Ly that ('ompany of thnm,:!h trafli1· o\· ·r tht· jni111, u1Hh1 r t:1k_1tg 'h'.111 be tht· mile:t"c prnporliun :tttrilntt:tblt- lo tit,• .i11 i11t undvr tak11_1!.f of the ~ross l'l'1'(·ipb of tlw <·arrying ( ~omp:111y frrnn tht' t r:tfli1· ~u t'ank 1l by that l'omp:rny o\"(• r th1..· j1>i11t undvrtaki11g afll'r d1·ducti11g frol:l ~11~h : . .'Tu:-.:s n·,·t·ipts t.lw usual Clv:tri11:r I Lou"t' ll'l'lllinab if :\II.\ a!Hl al ... o paid ·011" paid-outs pr11portic1ns p:1id or d111· l.tl nt h1 ·r l'tl'.Hp:rnil'"' { 10\'t l'l lll('l1t duty .tlld Stt('h Hll allo\\'":llll'l' fol' lr:till (.>!' lllllllill~r ~ '\llt'll"t'~ lo !}11• c·:inyi11g ('umpany :is may lw :1orv1·tl 11p1111 or f:ti\111:• :1µn·t·uu·11t :1s mav be ~l'lt l <'d hy :1rliitratin11.'' 'l'li:1t. i" a~ rt•••:nd .. u1Jiruugl1." I sl11 ;11 ld probabh Ii:~\\(' ('()1\111\l'lll'l'd \\llh sn'l1P1l ~I \\l11d1
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rD"c ides that:- " Subject _to the 1wo,·ision herein con.:aine<l as to the p f tie Joi·nt Untlertakrn~ b)· the t 11·0 Companies -that 1s, equal use o I " I rr· . .. 11 t II . . t . l rirrhts to run oYer an<l use for lhroug l tra 1c- lC o. s la C:; ::t.rH
d~tr!!es to be demandctl and taken in r espect of. local trafl1c upon, the .Joint t:ntlertakinµ sh:iH from time to tune he f1xct1 hy U1e JcJlnt Committt•e but each of the two L'ornp:1n1es sh:tl l he free to fix its rates and fare·' for all throu!!h tr"llic." \\'l'll, sir, yon mil set' I hat th:lL co11-:-titutt::-; a fund. ritlwr in res1wrt oi' the toll~ , r:lt(·~, :1nd ('\iargrs to he dc·mantlctl aml t:ikcn in re•sped of loc:tl tr:dli~ upon th<' .Joi11t l'ntlert:1kintr undL'r thl"' dirrctinn of tlw .Joint (_\1mrnitH'l', or in n·spc•r·t of dw n~ik:t!!C pn11)llrtion :tttributahlc to thp .Joint Un1lcrtaking of the !.!T1l~:-i rl'C~·ipt..; of the l·::trrying (\rn1pan~· for thro11gh traflic•. r[Jiat. is ihc• l'untl 11hid1 is created hy l':irli:un"nt for spv"ilic ul>jl'cl"; :rnil "h"1 l ,h:ill t:ik<• the' lili<•l't)· of c0111endi11!! i; th:it paynH·nt out of th:it fund tc1 :1 rcnt:il of another r:1ihr:1y io not one of th .. purposes spe'<'ilie:ill.1· >t•t fclrth. 'J'hat ll'C >h:lll h:tvc to tr:wd a little fur1l1<· 1· Lo f;nd. I lHlW cnll :tttt'ntitm to Lh(' f11m1. rt d(·:lls in another portion of th" .\ct with the• mannl'r in 11·bich tl1at. f11nd i; to be tll'alt with. Th:1t i~ ~t>l'tion 8.)-:is to the dispo:-::tl of the rC\'('llllC. ·· The Joint Committn• :-h:lll n.'Cl1 i\·c all the toll" rpnts r:t.tf's an<1 cltar!!i'S an<l all other tiH' l\'\"CllllC' nri:-in.~ Olll of tJip,Joint: rrnlt·rtaking Or CO!~IH'('.;t<-cl therrwifh :111d :-hnll denHL' the ;-;amc in the fir."'t i n~tancc· to p:1yin:-r the :-;abrit'S d1:1r_!!t'S :rn(1 cxpcn:ws inl'idcnt to tlH• working control rn~1nap-emcnt 11win11-n:inl'L' and n·pair thereof :ind acl'u1·tling to the plan on which th<' capital afon»aitl >hall be r:1isct1 in Jl:l.nncnt of clehcnturP interest :md a tli,·iclentl ,,f -1· j>(·r centun1 upon the c:qJit:tl cont ri!Jutt'cl !Jy e:ich Cc1mp:1ny or :1; the c:t<t' ll1'1 \" be- lll· W :t\· of di,·itlcnd upnn the >1"1re;< or otock in the Sl')J:lr'11l' ·c:1pit:1l 01: l>y 11._:1_1· of 1Ji,·id<•nt1 upnn tile Joint Gu"r:tntcc•tl :'tock crc:llt't! untfr r thv powers of 1hi> _\ct >l'ILI the balance i[ any ··-that i" after thr>e ,pecili•· :cpprnpriatio11s of n·Yt·rn1e created undrr thP _\c·t- '· of lll't re\·cnUl' n·m:1ini11~· in tlh· h:u1d~ 1)f the Cvmmitte~· :lt thr encl of eYery li:1ll-y<:ar :tftcr 11wki1;g ;-,lli·h payment;"' :1forcs:1ul >h:ill lic by ihcm cli1·itktl l1('[11"t•t·n the• t1rn l\nnp:lllies 111 the ratio of the rnlue of the throuQh trafllc 1Jookc1l 011 tn e•r front or 0 wr the Joint l:nuer,tantling l.J!· c:icit Comp:iny in <·ae·h yc•:tr imn-i1],•cl that thl' Jomt Comnuttec rn:iy acconnt to the t11·0 l'ornp:111i('' t•ithc•r me nthh· or quarterly for all balanct·,; of nd pro!J1,." Th .. 11 thl' others ''.l:L'. merc workmg_ :, but the t•ro underlying principle<. art• the• 'l'""ilic 'ic.1.11on_ of_ a spec_Jf1c funtl, antl, h:tYmg nv:1tctl tl1:1t f1111d. it< 'l'""ilic ~ppiopitat1on. 'U1cre is no jlO\>er 1n the .foint Cu1111nittct• :t1Hl l ll"<>ultl ,.1L'ntEun,, to ~uggc::it, no po"·e:r in the A.rl1itr:ttor, 1111dvr ~1n ~\~Tt'l'l!lvnt pf
t tc ·:i;t London Com1J'll1'" to· t ·f · · I ) · 1 · · · · . · J · Ill Cl e1c \\"II It 1:1t !11111 llf ;1ppropr1;1l1n«
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1°. :iuothcr ~urpose tb:in tlrnt 'JlCciftcalh· t!l'li111'll h1· this .\l'I ,~
at i.uuent. OJ C'<Jtir<c a. a tl . 1· f . I . . fli . . . . · • • > ' lll:l Cl o ad t I(' f1111ll rn n,··ttc-<1 is n 'I
>u 1c1ent. nor is it like!)· ,ritl · . . . ' . · . . ' i11eet tl1e ·c b unan.1_1ca,onablc pc·rio1l lo)," >11111 .. 1<·111 In
>pectue c ·1r"CS L I f · . prcei<eh· the'" .• " upon i . . it WC'I"<', m1· 1·0111 .. 1111011 \rc1uld lio hantlctl .orcr [i'~~~clt~~c~:';\,'.hcn.ani·.'urplu; upon th" f1111cl 11·,111ld lie• the fnntl alrc·ach i· n l fl' o Co111)1.1111t·s 111 t'<·rl:1.11t pn>p<>rl1Pns: hut
· ' · , 0 rn 1t·1<·nl to 11·11· "11 I · I rxpen,es rneitknt to tl . I. . . . I<' "' :11ws i· i:tr~··,•.s :ind I 1e \\or rnw coin n I . ·
<1TH repair tl1erc·of 1 . ·-: , n1ar1:1.~1·1111..'r1t J11:1111t(·11:nH'<.' · I . ant .tc<'ord1n•' 10 11 , I .
capita afon·saitl !<hal l 1 ... :"' . 11 P :111 P11 11 l11«h t It<' mLtrc•t l JC l.llsl'd 111 11·11 I 1· I I _s an< a tli1·itlc·ncl o/' 4 ,. · 111 " 11 0 t<'><'ntttr<' <'Ontnlrntecl ." 'J' lt "rc ,·".'" I·. . pr'. <"t'11J11m npon Jh,• <'·11,·11·11
l '" .11"e' tl r•f1" t I· · · ante·('('( t•nt tliffi<'u lt . ·]. I n I. I Clll \ \'!':tr ICl \' .,,. Th· t . t I \ ) Y \\!\(' 1 I l·1kdliv Iii I '1· · · · · .I 1' 1" . '<>II t:lVf' 11 () po\\'C'l' .'l!t(l (" , . )('I',\ n 1111pn•ssi11•• 11p11t1 \ i'll 1 h·1(
<l,!!f'<·<-111t·11t autl1orisi1:g }'C!U · : ::lt ~~I ,, /lio.ss~ldy ~ 1:~\·1· :111.\ JlP\\1"1". 1t1;d1T. :11~' . c. 1 \ \ 11 1 1ddlt•r1•111·t·~111 1111· ,l,11111 l\11n
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1nittce o f the F.:1st Lo nclon. to int edere with a fund whieh Pnrliament has sprc ifically :tppropriated to distinct purposrs.. I think I need not pn·--~ it furtlwr. It n• ... t--; upo n th o<.:.e c lau.,.es and upo n that prineip\c .
Thi· .\ Hl\lTH \TOR: ,lust let me osk oue quest ion. lfas the monC) hi·cn rai:--t·d c1n tkh1.•nture?
~[ r. l Olll\I·:,;: y ,.,_ Tht' _\HBiTH \T()B: \\ .. ith the sole ~t·~uritY o f this r "'YC'll\H'? :'.\Ir Ft >HHI>: \""111 onl:• on c.\dH..-ntnrcs w~th tlu.· sole Sl·curit\· of
1h1 n·\ 1.·11m , l 11t p:lrtly Pl\ dl'hl•nture-.. :u Hl p:lrtly :ll"o it ha~ lh'{'ll r ai's1·cl , .1-. f:tr :1 ... \\1' :lrl' t'11t11·1•nH·d-l th) not intprfl'rl' with the• w:l\' in whid1 tli1 ,. r.1i ... <· tl1Lir 1'apittl in our (':lSl' i t hns he(•!\ r:ti:-:.1•cl b,· 'tht· in-.tru mt;· t:1lit~ C1f_ .. P ci tll~ g:11:tranll't"tl stoek. which ha" ::t fi.r~t · d1:1rg(' upou .my pr.ip1 rtH·ll ,,f tilt• l\t'' n•1·t·iph of tla• City LiIH.~" aftl'I" 1nying tlu·s1..• , 1.:r: ,·h 1r r1 ~. Th:1t i" ~p1•cilicall:· :lppropriat1..·d l\) th:tt sl1wk .
r1 \ ltl\lTI: \Tl ll:: Hnt a g11~r,1111<•c ud1i11d th:1l prop1>rlion by
h "t , " rn 1r-1:i"t. \Ir I< lJ:l~I" .... : Y1 ..... t)f cnur ... ti.. Tt i". nf course, no !.!On~1 m\· ~axin~
l t l .lnl :, '.., d. linf I 110 nnt my.:.elfyt•nlnn• up1m exp;.l:' ... 'i11'.! ~>pi1;i01~" .. · iPl wi•lw11 1 h:n-in!! ht>l·n ruh·i,1·1L and lam tol1l-1h:11 j.., the · h l ~11n .tt:liling- "t'com1harn1 tu yon-t11at y1111 l1:n1• 110
fl~·t· ,,;· 11 thl' appropri:1tionnf tlwfu11d. It ,,.1 ... 111·1·1· ...... ·lry 11·c ,.f :l 1k:nll1wk lil'l\H'l'H tlH· l 'nmp:l11i "to h:n-1· ln·:-h 11 ~'i"'
pt.rn·t·r of ra.',in!! thi:-; t apit:d. whidt t'l\lled m thi": th ll thr ·1 1· ... 1l th :r 1·:1pit:tl in tlH·ir own fa ... hion, :lntl 1hC" Ifs· rid
1r i..' i1it tl. HPt i1, tlll'ir own fo ... hion. lm.t uwlvr :t :-peLiti1· p• )\\"l·r b:· e•·i.. ·1·,,n nf l':tpil:ll. Thal,,~~, the ~ft>lropolit:111 .\.·t nf }'· .. -.II. i· o :tt \1·t hl'c:lll~<· . I~·n1p1H)"t'.W1• l1:11lnuton• ... '
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pr l'lHtinn. and tlH' ... (' n.:ry wnnb art• n ... p..,:l'l' l :-·· .. \I r 11( t11t• "ahri<.'"' ch~r!.!"l'"" an1l l'XP 11"1'" 1111·i1knt 'l1 l lt·
1 tr 1l 1n·1n·1•., ·mt•11t mainten l1Jt'f' :uul n_•p:tir tlt(•r, nf."' &c .. ,_\:('. r ,.t H'. h • ~urpl l.'. j, 'P''''ilic~lly alln.-3· 'a to tin... ... 1 K
, t' i ·I n "I'"'' th.It n1Hkrt:1ki11'.!. Tt i' 11uit1• tru • ·h 1 Lh • ·1. u:~·:· l1 • 110~ "n:li, i1·h tlwy h:lXt' a <'h:lr;!l~ upon ·!t .. ;.!l'll r·tl 11•11} .. c•i
11: ... 1· l I\{•3.ll~. ':1\ien. to tht·ir l1<·lu·ntnn· intl·rc ... t.: bn· if y11a w.11 x~·1 ... J:1Pf r .. r.!in~it.th:t.t1l0l·"nnti,1thl..'ll':1 ... t.alt·rtl ·1) ... ·11)!1.
Tl r · j ... ' ... p" i.i-' ·1ppropri:1tion of a ... pe··ili·" fn1Hl to :t "P' ci i\· p tr'' '"1·. "I' "11"t tr:lnl nn•,i<11• i. 1 think th:1t i' a dilli"u\•,· ' ' l1t·tl t<>
c.. 1 "'11 o( ti.• E·t ... t l.oJHlon 1lut th1·\· an· t·ntitl ·(l t1,·!11 \. ·l th·\+ p r :t. · <( ':• ... ~, m 11f lht>" ·two ( omp:rni~·" for a:n· hdp l\)\\":\ 1 ... tl i
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wht ~ r til:1 WP1ll1l lu· :·our <.1pinion ;-Tl \ltl\IT!t \Tlll( : ~1'· <>pin1n11 wouhl ht• thai wl11•11 Yl>ll h:t'•' 1 y 1·· Yi w "'i tlH' C:l"L' l ... hnnlil hl'·\r tlu Yil'\\ of th1• t.itl; •r :-.:.d' :\:'
to iL ~;ntl t'. "\ 1 XPrl'i"l' mv own ju<1rrm1·11t. ~tr. Ft)J:BI·>.:: l thi.11k it ·is iwt worth "hih· µl1in~ on \\ith an~
otl ,. :u' . n :h to wll\·. Th .\ltBITlt \TOH ; I ti1i11k yon lml hc't• r linish \\I :il ~-,,n h-1''
0 :o<\\" . ·.\lr. rnnnE:--:. : Th3t j:-; all T h:\\"t' In:-::\\. tt l'l'''" lljlllll ilut.
~ill t k t}l(• lll'}lOl"t·111i~y l"\'.,Pf"f'lflll\_\' of ~ti.~~t'"'ill r th:ll t'\tl\ \Ptl, ltl
wh1>n1 ~ • hr:re puwt r~ midi h:i.n.· hl·cn so ''"i'l'ly t·ntru ... t ·11. h t\·1· 1 11
pow r to t1i·:t1 with tlii" tn:ltlt'r . Tl \I:l\ITlt \Tl)!( : 1'1"'ihly . ~Ir. FC lllBl·.": \ft1·r h:t\"iJl;!- l"l'"Prctf111ly r ... 11•rn'(l t1\ :\!\_\ Ph" •ry:\
twn vd1ij·h Ill\ lrii·llll )fr. l \·nton m:n lnn .. · !o m:tk~·. l ..,Ji di re"}'' d fully nr rp th:lt- upon y,1u. .
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The .\ RDITR.\TOR : I am sure you will not <lo anything whir·h is not done re;pectfully. llarn you gone as far as you wish 0
)l r. FOHBE Ye,, at present. )fr. l:T~TOX: X:itur:illy I feel con;iilcrable diffitl<·ll('C in dealinµ
with this question, bt:r:lt1:-;e it, is 011e npon ·whil'h ) lr. Fo1:lH':; h:1" IJC'l·n ex1.·1Ti~ing hi'- µn.'3t talent. for !'?nH' yc:lrs pnst-thl' que~t1nn_ nanwlyot the ,m1wr-hip of thL' J01nt L111c;. It has lll'rn thr "il'J''<'L of tlH· fn:qtH'nt contention:-:. :i.~ yon know, hdore ~·1n1, and lll'fnn· tlif' ( 'oun'; hut l n·nture to .suhmit rh:lt )fr. Forlws' \·it.·w \rith n·:,!:lnl to t!ti~ p:i.rti1·ul:tr qul'~tiou i..; utterly ::md ~1U:-olutdy <·1-ronC1lll"- ·n y<1t1 tak1· lht• . \cl or l':1rli:urn:nt. the Cit\· Lint.'~ arnl Extc-n!'iOll~ .\d or };"!/ '.I, and if ynu rl'lt'r ro tht• cb.11s('~ \\~hi~· h .\fr. For!Jv..; him-.1·H h:l" qnoti-11, :uHl e."'JH-'ci:l.lly cl:ui:-.r SS, you will find thi~: "'ThP twn L'nmp:mi1·<.; sh:dl h:tq; l'(jU:l! riJ..!hh l'a1·h \Yith tlw othl.'r in all n·:-:pt'i'lS a.., to wnrking- o\·er and u-.in.~ :Hhi 111ay rt>"Pl'l'li\·dy work on'r and u-. c t.lw .Toint l 'rnkr1aki11ga1al !lit' \Hlrk:-. :-t~1ti1m~ and con\·cnil'ncl·" t!t~·n·ol' a11<l 110 :Hh·a11ta~·(· ... hall hl· gi\'\'ll to l'ithrr Company 10 t1H· prvjudil'l' or the otl1t 1
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So\\' th:1t i:-: ptHL'ly \\"ith rrgan1 to the right~ as to w·orki11.'.!o,·pr :11111 u.;in~ Thl'l'l~ 1 ... nothing t1wre with n'"ganl to the O\\'IH'r-.hip of the l::t ih,·ay. Th1.• ow1H:r:--hip. l'r the fee of the Haih,·a."' a;;; yon m:1_,. ('all it. i .... ,.l"'ll'11 in tht• two Cnmpanil·s ab~oli11e!,,·, e:1eh takinu it-; Jult'. T hi ... L" nwrl·ly n. pro\·ision with re~ard to th(' ri .~.d1t... <•f ,,·nrkin'.! '"·er a lbilwar 11-hid1 has been con<t11.1ctctl b1· <lh' <·;ipital "f thc:'e two Companie..; half :trnl half. Then it !.!OP" \)II ·' l'ro\·i1l\·<l that th(• r:ltt·..; to be p:ti<l by !'aC'h company for il11· t"<lll\"1'.'
ancc' u:- that C'ornpan:· of through lralllc O\'(·r tiu' .Toi nt l-11,]ertakii:.~ ~hall i>l• ihL' mik:1µ-e proporlion attrihntabk• to thl' Join t l"ndl·rta'..:ii::...:· pf thl• .!..!TO"'-. n'l't.•ipt."' of thr carr.rinQ" c.:ompan_,. frrnn th1· tr:tfii" ... 11 ~·:tr!·it·d hy rh:it cnmpan\· o,·t•r the.Joint ·cm1Prtakin~."' Th c·n c·11m~·-. 1]11 <kd:wti11n-·· after dr(1urting from f'11Ch ~.!TO:'."' ~-C'('('ipt-. ilw 11-.11:d Ck:1ri!1:_:
Hon"t' lt•rminab if any and al::o paid 011-. p:ti1l 011t-. prnpcirtin!, .... p:1i ! or due to other Companies ( ;V\"(· rnnwnt <lnt \· a1Hl :-'llt·h :lit :j !lo\\ ;lJH't~ for train or running <·xp('n~p:-: ro the (':u:n·i11~· ("nrnp:111_,. :1-. rn:n· t: .a!:.~Tee(l UJ~~)'.l or foilin!.!. aµn'.l'lll<'t_lt as m:1_,. he• :-.lit ill'<l ]._,. :t r!1i! rat· un · \ di. then . >U . the que.<t1on ht»L is a' to lto11- tfti, fulld 11 fti,·h j , '"
tn lk .. a.pnropnawd hr the Joint CommiUt•(1 j._ <.T1·akd. l t j..; ('J't<t'1·d r take IL fir-t ln· thr local traffic 011 th<' li1w it><·ll: :111cl ,,,.,.,,,1<fh In 1i1,. )'I<1P01~llon of throuf!h traffic attrihntal1lc t•J the ioi11t lint• al;,.,: .J,.;[,ll·t rnµ-_ •1
1 pay1rn.:nt:; \\"h1eh ha\-e to be m~ick 10 (~tlu·r (·onii1an:1 . .., or 111 atn Ol H·r "'"'- and thcref · I f · · !" 1 .. · .· .... · ' · me k nre ~·nu r:1n :nn.'·e :11 tl11~ 11d ·111\l"ll1t
o c ti i-1on or the <um to I e l I . I I I T . . 'hi" \. . ~ . 1 teal \\ll l 1.\" t H' · 0111t ('01nmith-1· u11d1-r ' • Cl. 1 ou mu,t ltr<t cleclurt CY.. . . . 1 · 1 m.'.l.kt:'. The "\[ . r . ~ 1.\ - P·~.\ lllC'nl ,,. II•' I 1.l1t·.\ li:t\"t• '1)
Ea.<L 101 l .He~;opo. ttan and D1-1nct l1atlwa1» . \('! 11·a, in l -'~!1. Th, fat Io~:]~~ \ mtwa.1 .I.ct wlas date<l lOth nf .l.ug.n<t , 1:--::.~ . \l·ft,·n tl1<· "\ ' r c was pa8'C< and 1rhr11 ti . . I . . [etropolitan Di.:;triet C · ·. k 11." l':'l"'l' wa .... t·111t•r1·1l m:(\, tht• Act "·as. and k " onf1pan.i nc11· full 11·c fl what th,, ..t'f,•1·t nf thi' · · ' ' no"'"" ull \\'di what · I ]Omt Olrners with lhe ~ther · . ·. It \\ :i.... t tey ht·Ca111t• 11111 imh London Haih~a1· b t I ~ompan1cs, or JOll\t It'''' ''''· pf th1• l·"1 ; t seh-es in the··. '"-a~l tle.~. ~ . lo\\·l:cl thrir i111t•ntion of pl:wj 11 ,,.
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,.., 'ran«crnen t< 11·01+ 11 I . eYery srnse, both as rrfranls tJ . : , . ,~11.~ - . 1rn11.~ i train .... :111d in as r:.!!arcl~ thei r shareoo[ i11cC~1: .o~'.ll i :~rhrn.~:· liI<• l_>i .... trid IL!i\\\;1.' . ;Jnt! part1r~ to whatever mirrhL be lJ ,)_ J ~111rs <llJ(l h,x!1•11...;1011" lr:tfli\· lh '1'1\mi 11"
~tel JTnt Committee, a7Hl the p~\r'c~su l tr o{I ll'i 't. 1,.,.,,., '!'I"' <Jll<''t i<>n .,I· c' ~ o not afTec l, a.'I it a J lr·1 · :-.; o H'. 01111 l 't)1111111tlt'1' i1nd1•r tJi1..,
two 1111cs. It is merely a u~dcld t s flo. ~nr". lhl' ''.''lua l "'""'rsh<p <'f tit •. , .. O uea l11 1" ll'tll . l
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rewnu~, but the actual rights of owner hip, I take it, are absolute\, n.- .. tC'd 111 tlw t,,-o Con1panw~; and. I take it that the Joint Committ;c wnuhl not, ha,·~ po,,~l'~ to deal ,,·1th :t~1ything: affc('ting: the capital of the t.,~-o ~ om~1:tmes ·with r~g-anl t~ ~lu joint railway . Then a~ain, t~H' 1J1 .. tnct. .1.mp:u~y, havrng, a_.., .JOlllL own('r'°' with the ).tctroplllitan { 0111p:rn_,. ?' tlu-. Ha1lway. t.>nt.en:d mto thnH1µh booking arrangl'mcnts O\"l~r the La-.t London, :lllll :1:.rreed to run trains over the Ea.st. Lomlon. lllli" h:n·,. kno'' n at the _ti1nc tl~at it was grL•:ttl~· to thei r :uh·a.ntagt n do,..,(,, li\•r:lll-.l' any
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l'l'l'P1pt!"i wlw.:h th<:y ohtain('cl in r eF.\WCL of traflic t•xch:lll!.!l"d with th t:" J'..:tSI L~mlon mu"t h:tn' gone 7wo tanto to reduce 1ht• :rnl1.)1Illl of Lo .... L\) wluch thC'y had to cont.rilmtc bv increa~i 1w 1.Ji1• 1:u11cl \\ Jikh thl' ,Joi~H Cl~lllmittl'C had at their dispo..,it~nn. 'J'her<~~ t~'r,• 1t ~lPJI' ·1r~ t.d me, ... 1r, ,~·1th r~·µanl to the l<'g:tl point whidt ~Lr. l·orlw .. h:1 .. ra1 .. 1.•1l. th:1t. he h enlln·ly out of uurt; that all nm :.nt• '''"I l<> cl .ti 11 i1 h i' tht• fund whid1 is plan•<l :II the <li,posai of tlw I .• (\q·1111it11·c after payin~ out 1.·\·c r.nh ing- that is properly iluc in
pf tl1n111gh trallic, a-; wdl as nlher p:tytnl·nts. \ 1\\. ''tth. rt,..!:lrll t1) thi:-i particular ,·him-that i~. he daim that
•1: .. from rlw jliint lilll'"i ~houltl «c>ntributc to tlw lo .. s-it i~ I l · 1 a• ir that ii thi ... ' 'en• th\• property ~ol1·ly of the l>istrirt Com-
1 l ) \\ r F 1 '1 ... wonhl nnt f11r a m1rn11.;11t contrn1l th:u it ... houkl not ·111 n 'li't• t tJii .. In"'"'· That j ... , 1wrk1ps, till' moral, arnl not the leµ-al
110 .. 1 · H'll . Hnt llr F0rlJt'.':', i11~t1.•ad of licin.!.! thl' t:11tirc own('r of thi .. Hail'' :1y. , ... t l' h:tlf uwn1.•r, a1Hl, a~ the ha
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to tbe bener:ts received. We arc :tll yrepared to do that. The Bri hton and Sontlt Eastern might r:l<Se questwns with r e"arcl to . . f ~ · Lin~s, anc.~ ;Y1lh regard :o complicated agreemcn~s belwe~~erth~ U~~~~ parncs . . · \\ e do no t d o so. \Ve are_ prepRred honorably to fulfil what ."-~· c~1,t:>1d e 1 to b~ our legal and equ~lablc engagements, and we ask Lhe D<sinct Compan; to do the same tlung. I do not kuow whether .\Jr. Bell o r i\lL S teer have anytlun" to say ?
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\Ir. BELL: 1'o, I think n ot. )Lr.. FE~TO:\: 'Lo u arc 'o tho roughly seised wi th the situ:.ction of
chcSL' J omt L 11u':; that l .o ughl t.o apologi::>e for sa.yillg so much ; but we fL•el ,·e r_,. :-;t rongly on this question, and we feel that th e District Compan v ou~hl_ not, as ''e think, to h:we r aised this point. W e think it ;o unfair :\[\( l me(\11<taule to the other fi 1·e partner s that we trust m u will dl•i.'idc this poin t in thL• \·icw Of the five l c~~CC::> against the .l)ist r i(·l C\rn1pany.
Th« . \ lll31Tll.\TO!l : from 1·our statement l take il the ::\.l etro l"'lit:in do not ro.is,, atn- question.· 'l \tkc Ki ng's C1:os,_ Lo \\'hitcchapelth:tt is the Jlll\Cll011-wh:tt(·Ycr I" rl'CCJY('(l !rvm h rng s Cross to \V h1trch:tpcl )'Oil tr«at as r eceipt; of the ::\let ropolilatt Company .
)I r. 13ELL : :'\o. that i' not qnite it. For this JlLlrJlO'P he1wcr11 Kin•<; l'ro:os and Alth!al<' Ea>t, w e ,Jwul<l treat as a contrilrntion of the: \ lvt~politan. from '.\ hlg:1tc: l·:ast t_o W hitcchape l we shoulll t reat :<> tit,, contribution of the .Joint Commttlee .
The .\. IWlTLl.\.T OH : ·1 <lo not thin k l made m 1·,el( clear. \\.hat i' the i1.11wtion w ith the ra;t Lnntlon .
. ) fr. lWLL: \\'hitechapt'I . . .. . . Th•• . \ RIHT1'.\.TO !l: Then if _rnu work t rarns from lungs Cro , , to
\\'hit<'C-ltapcl i·ou have a cert,1in point where rnur ::\Ictropol1Lan prop,•r
it)ill"' tht· l'ity Lin(':;:' . \ Ir. HELL : Ye;.
The .\.HBIT1'.\.TOH: \ \" hat point i; that' \Ir Ille LI. : .\.hkat<' . · 1· 1·· · ;lhe .\.llBlTIL\J'Oi l: Then the fan• i1hich you rece11·c rom \ tll;!'
Cro;:; to .\.hlgatc-- . . . \I r BFl [ . \\'oultl be a ~\[l'tropoht:rn contnlrn1101L I . 11 ;J'J . \.1-,llliH l.'1'0 1{ : T he f:tre frnm .\. i<lgate to \\ l11tctli:1pr. ""1n '1
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l)(' subject to the ~:u_1H' ,·ont r.1but10n, '\~~i~ ~1\1 t'or tl~t' moment tlH: partit .... bc.:en on \·ou r own line, putt ing out. o , ~
who :ire ·to p;n· it. 1.'l. t ribnLion which i:-< :-::011!.!hl It) \Lr. HELL: l e>, tha.t is so. . us coti . ·1 ; of th ree '""ti~n' ,,f . c· I. c m m 1tlee IS m,\t c 11 1 . .
h<' lenctl on the ily ,111es o , 'r I lhi lw:11· to Jl ietrwt - 1:1 . I I . f l he I• ·ist ,olll on , . I traflic that. i:=:, >OO ~ rngs rorn _,. · k. . i .111, \ from J~a:-it I JOI\( t 11t . , . c· . r . lioo ·rn1r~ \,0 • '
t1ons pa~s l n~ O\·er the . Jt } lllC'~, 1 ubooki n{rs t.o ~i nd from 1.,;1:-1 '1ations and hlet ropohtan stat ion '! a nt . . o
l C't J·n l'S s t·1 t1onSJll O[lCI. · · Tiondon ~tat.ions :.1fl( 1 Y · ... ~ · ' k , the point :1:; to your po:-.1t.1n11
'J'he \lWJ'l'llATOlt: I w a nt to ma e , 0 1· rccei \ll' b y the l·.:t>t · · 1 l o l t rc:ttme1i. · dPa1'. Yo u approve of l ll! JTI O( c .. . . . over r ln1r own line or o' t' r tl1L' I ondon to t hi s «xten t- tha t wh rtlt r 1 ti. t>. ' 1 · . , (~ity lines the r ec«ipt s are liabl e to contr u n ion .
. ~r . HELL: Yes . . , f th t• tn arc pxc lutlcd r . The' J\Jl,l\lTR\'J'Oll: And non e 0
. huL ""'should prnh : 1 b l~ g'' 1,,r \Ir 1\1•'. LL: \V e quit.« :l(lttllL Lita\, .. . u ' t\\T Cll thl' Ci11· i<lll'S :Jlll i
t.li £' ,;ll1J~:tti o n o\' t.ho:;c rC'Cl·ipts l1erca l e i .1 ::; e ~ th<; two pHrl11M' K, 'J'li,·Ll i~ Uet.Wt:l'll ;.o11r~l'h ' l' ::I . \ ' er: \\l•l l.
' l'I" ' A IW l' l'HA' l'O ll: Ulldt·rnl,:tlld that p'1rL of it.
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you ha,·_c the fnnd, ,-ou ha,·c the fnnd ma<1c up of thP panncnt nf "'ch proport 1011 .. p:ud or due of through rat.t..':-', Jl{ll n.•11ts or char~('s-1hinas not contPmpl:ued. You cannot :;trct<·h tla~ word:-i. lf tlu.'y h:H1 ... a~l '·proportion" of ratl·s or r('nt:th or ohlig:uion" in<'UIT(·rl lO\~·anh otlwr ('omp:rnit'"" th:lt wnuhl ht• intdligiblt>, and ti.at j ... what would h:in· ht.!t•n pnt in if it h::ul bc(•n inh'mh•d. That j:-; ilw lT(':\tinn of tl11• f1 1wl, :rn1l I t•ntn·:tt ~\1ttr \'1.•r.'· c:irdulcnn..;idl•ration of th11-.1· wnnl-. i:n·atin~ Lhl' fund, :Ill 1 I -.:ty till' fund does not ad111it of a. redu1·Lion or l'l'I\\;~\ or anythi11r! ln1t :\ proponion of a thrnuµh r:ll<' lt) 1l1t'"1' ('otnp:mil'', ;11 11\ th1· thr11uµh r:llt' \tl iH' :tppnrtiorn·<l lo tht· Ea"l London i" p1·rf(·1·th wi·ll k1H1\\ll. 11 i ... a mil1·:1µ:l' proportion now l lwlil·\1'. Tl1t·\· h:ul :l ... m:tll bn11u ... h\ ... tart with, but it j..; now :\ mill·:lµ"t' proportion ni· tlw 1liro11gh
ralt'. '}'l :11 ha ... hl·1·n :1•tribnh·1l to tl\t'm. It dol·:-; nnt ....;"\_" "proporli1111 of :111y rl'ILl:d:" ••r p:iymt'ltl" to l•P mad•· to thl' Ea-.t l.1111d11n or :1!1.\'h11ly 1·\ ... 1. in \'irt111• ,,\ 1w1·11p:1tinn." Tiu• Hri~hwn Comp:\11:· tiwl :1 ... ?;1tio11 :1t. th~ 1·wl :1!11l '.ht·~ µ1•t a mih-~!.!l' pn1portin11. ii 1l111·" not "':l.\' "···:in• 11 1l1·1\:,. t fr111n thi ... fuml :t r1:nt fnr tlw Bri~htun ('011q1:u1y. ft w111ild ha\·1· :..:\iil :-11 ii i1 h:ul hl'l n intt-111lt:'tl. );1)\\' :I" to tlh· 1·\.ar~1·' 1111 that fm11l. l 11·\\•· :1lrt,1th· :illml1·1l to that. Sl'dio11 ~:; 111' th1· .\1·t 11! J~j'!J ... :I\': •·Tl.1 .\oint (',;mmitt1't' ..;hall r1~1·l·in! al\ t\11· toll..; r1·11t..; r:111· ... :mil 1·lnr'..f1·s :l':d aH n'h1·r tbt· n \Tllllt' :tri ... in~ out of tlll' jn111t \111\lt·rt'l ·in'.! or (·n11n1·1·t+•1l th1 rt·with :11Hl !>ihall Lh·\'\)t\' till· ":Hilt' in till' lir:--.t i 11 .. 1:11wt· ··-11wn· j.., :\.
"l11·1·itit- :l\•prnpriatinn-'· to paying tlH' :-:dariL·:O: chargt·" :1rnl t·xp1·11:--1·s i1H.'i,l1·n tn tlH' W1\rk'.ng l'Ontr11\ m:ll\~\..Jl'llll'l\t 111:1i11\1'11:1w·c :rn1l rt•p:1ir tht·rt·11i :twl ~w1·nnlinµ to thl· plnn on whi{·h tb· l':tpit:d alon· ... aicl :-h:1ll hi..' r:\i-.1'1l "-:\ml thi ... j..; n·ry import·rnt in n·kn·nn· to wll:1t :--nb..;··qw·11·l:· tnuk pl:h'L'-" in p:1ynwnt of 11<·\wntnn· i1111·r1·-.t an1l a. 1li,·i1\1"111l t•f 1 pl'l· C'dl . upon the c:tpit:tl nmtril11ttt>1l by t·:\t·h ( 'nmp:111y or a..; tl.f• c:l .. 1"' m:\\. be ln- wa,· of 1li\'icl1·111l 11pon tl1t· :-h:1rt·" 11r
:-Hwk in tli~· "t:paraie c:1i1it:\l or by w:1: of l1i,·i1l1·1.d u11Pil tht joi1.t ~u:uan!t'l'll ~to1·k cn~ate1l und.·r tlw powt·r-. ol tlll" .\1" <l' 1l h·1b1wc if any ''-that j..; tlw 01ah fn·t· thin:.!-:h·1• i-. th1• 1•11ly ·h ~ wLch thi..; Co.mmittl't' h:n·1· any l; ·Wt·r t11 tl1·:1l wi·h :ti all \'X1't·1·· :1"''\I 1·itically ~1pprnpri:.1tl·d . :111d tl11·y art' nol ln·t· 1•iihe
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·, b1·1·a~1,t· th:lt j ... tn 1>1..• h:nnltd on•r to tlu• two ('11rnp:rni1· .. - ·· in tlu· r:1·i11 ,,j tht: ,·aluc 1·f tht.: throu!.!h traffie book(·tl on to or frorn or 11\·1·r tlw .l11int Lml~·r1·1kinµ by t·:i~h Comp:iny in t·:i1·h y1·:1r." ..:.p 11:1·:· an· no~ c·\·1·11 frt'(' {1l1l pf th:\t to pa:· :t n·ntal, and :·nu 1·:m11ol µi,·e tli1·111 tilt' p11wt·r )-1,,,·, to p1.t. it a little ~tron~(·r. 'l'l H' l':tpital powl'l'..; \H·l'i' f111l11d nnt to work. 11dcl\y ('nOu~h. 1t i ... not thP fir:--! tiuw in tlH' hi-.1nn· of th1·..;t• l'omp:1ni1· .. tli:it clau,..;l·S of nn ori.~in:\l . \ l'I of Parlianw11t 1;:1,·1· bt·t·n fou11d 110 to work. You m::l\' take a hnr:·«· to 1ht· w1•1\, hut \'OH 1':\llHOI
m:-tk~ him drink. \\~r had ·to f!O in :1 subi.;1·q111·nt ~1·..;-.i111; . with tlll' 1·011 ... <·nt 11f the )[etropoliwn Cornpnn:·, lwc:w .. 1· th1· clau:-1' j..; in t lll'ir Bill-in th1• lldropolitan ~\ <'I of 18 0, -.;11h·"'t·1·tion ~ of Cl:\\1"'1' :) I:•· ThP )krropolitan Jfr ... trict.. H:lilw~:· C'omp:my may n1 th1·ir fl\\'ll Pplitin :1rnl withont ;w,· in rrfl·n·1H'C' or control of th·· :'\ldropolitan H:!dW:\\ Com1ia1,y rai,c. he ollH·r half o f th<· ,ai1\ 1·:ipit:d .,r u,~,1111.non in th"' namt: or \lf'llll thC' ('rt·dit and:\.~ tlw l''.l}lita\ of t\lt' )lt·tropnlit:\H ])i...,tri1.'I Hailway 'ompany in :tny 0111· or more of tht• w:\~· .. :n11hnri-.ed liy :3t·1·ti1'll" (j.j (j.-, a111l (1 of the Aet 1'f I b7U ." Xow. tha tli1l H1\t. work. :uul thl' <1h_jcc of this clamc was to make it w1>rk . .. ,\rnl ""'. ,·apit:il I<>\<,, r:1i ... 1·d und~·r the said ~e:dicm 80 lir th1• )\dropolit :\l\ ll i~1rit'I H:1ih,:1: Company "-th:tt was in tlw nat1;n• of a e11:w1111<-1·1 l <':tpital "hi.-h, in thP Ac:t of J 8 7 ~) was to 1 11~ a. joi111 µu:1r:rnt1·p-t\11·ir 1'1Tdit. \\;1:-; rn'I q11it1· i-roocl c·nough for u 8 t.o (• 111 bark wit h them in a joint ~·ntnprt:->1'( !h l l l11-li1·vc it was the n·,·c1» '.
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The ARBITRATOll: Yon arc qui te cxcu,:iblc in mixing up tlie
two. J · 1 ~fr. FOREE : " And nny capita l to be 1a"c'; undc1 t 1c " " '
section 80 b 1· the Mctropol it:in Di st ri ct R a11".1y. Comp.in) may IJ<' raised by snth C<>mpan y b.1· the crea tion :u1tl. '"" " uf a s«parate au:'l.rnnteed :-;.tock w ich a perpetua l }.!llar::rn tc· et1 d .1n <l l' 11<~ a \1[t< ·l H·(1 tlw ret<~ ~t the ra te or .£ I p<'r cent . per '"'"11111 p:cp \Jl e h1· !1:111: .''C:Jrly JID.\"ffi (' n[;. on th e J 't <1:11· of M:irdt all( [ 1st <hy ot' Scp tcmb«r " ' "'·,. ry 'va r " " within :?O d:1\· ;-; b t• fpre or after H1 c h days rc:--pt•c t.i\·cly :m il H 1tl1 -..vwk ni:1y lie ca lie.(\ · T he ~ [,,u·opolit:tn J)i,tri " t G11ar:rntl'e St·""k · and hi' a first eh::trL!"1.' on thP .-.h:tn' or propor11on of th l' Dist n ('t ( nmp:i.11,\ ol tlw ren 'nu c Or thP J oin t l"nde rtakin!.! ('reat ed l1y t.\i {' _\ <·t. o f l h ~ ~' afkr p;1y nH' ll t th<•rront of tl1 e t·Xp l' ll ."i l'S ~r ;ind inc id t·n t t o th (' wu rki11.!.! ('()11trol mntL'.l !!f'lll L'tlt mai n l1:nancl' ~mll n ' pair th<•r<·o t' ( i 11 ducl in~ r:lll' . ...: and tax<:::-
arnl J):L::-f.: ('llg"<· r d1li y if an y ) :incl as n:ganl~ tht! ot.h1·r r(·\·t11t11·-.. or tl1<· lJ i:-;tri c L Cnm p:t 11 \· 1.1) r:1n k nP XL n[Ler th12 mon.gag<' tlvht- :i11<l dclH·11tur1· !-il1..H.:: ks of t i ll' ]) i ~ll· icL Corn pany .1
• Yery ,,·r ll. hut iL do(· " llllt ... :1y tli:tt .n1u :i re to a 11p l_,. 1h at. t.o s1HHP ot hC" r puq 1lbC. I t ... ~y . ...; :tftl·r : nn l.:n·p rn:HlL' fn.Hn tlll' f1md (' rea tcd :-JH·ci lie d t'clllC' ti ons you :i n· tt1 :tppl:· ·}w
mO!H·y in :1 p a r tit'nbr w:1y. l will trnd0 rt ak1· to :-a:· if you rn:Ld1· an :tw:tnl that thi :- f111Hl n r Llta t p11rLion uf it :tpplit·alJJ,. to tl11· I >i<ri,' Cump:.in:· ,,.a _..; to lit> pa id ifl ren ta l tu ~llH1t 1 tC'r l'(l1npa11y yo11 \\·1111id !11 it1 jlllll'!Pd - t :-;houl l1 inju ncl )'C Jll. T :un :lit () \\'1H"I' or thi ... . '-!1l('k a!lll l know ih r i!,!ILI.' and pri,· iivµ"l'>, and yon cann1>l <1<-:tl \\·ith ii. Tl· h ei11µ- .'-0. 1 han: with gn.':il n.·..;p(.'l ' l to :-ay tl1:-lt r lllll ... L df'l·li1!f• Tq pr• cel'<l furthe: r on thl' ~> -Ulll[>tinn 11"1t yon "'lll rlc:i l w ith it. I \>Ill i• nw ... t n·"pl·ctfully. I hr\ n:: ll<>L .'.lnotht:r wonl to ~a .r Th\·r1.· i· : ... : 1· ; .... , .\_·r.\· i11H·lliµ·ilde . I am not .!!oi11.:I to t·ntcr into :tpoln.:..ri1.·~ or t:tlk :t:1p:1·
b1.1 111·\·oil·lll'(' o r c>quit.'· :l illl a !! that ~o r t of thing. I h:n ·t· l\l a1l111i11i-.;~ r · Iii· p rop1·1'1 y. :ind I am l1o u11 c1 b.'· A(·l'-. of P :nlianll'nl arnl "'JH.'1·itit.' ~i[j, w:L:i1 ,11 ... arnl L ha r e' no ri:.d1t :rn <l d o not intenll to Ll' betr ave<l i11tP any i1T1·!..'td:1rit' jn tlli' a(l1ninisl r,~11io n or :.1. ~ p tTi fi( · t rn ..... t, Tt i:-; ;II_,- d u! .\ {P. !1rill~ l>t·t'111:,. y \_1u tLt· po .... ition of this funtl; a nd ·1 \ '('.11\11r(' with llllli'h f l'"l1t•1·t t.n -.:1.\ ynu l':tlllwt make an aw a rd wh ich ,,·un lcl Ji<.,ld ' ' ~lll"r if ou' of · Ji:1·
f·und you p rc:k1ll1 tl1:tl an ., ·1 hing i~ tn li<' p:1 i1l <·Xl'<'j•l dHJ~l' p:1_,11H·n1..: ~1)L·1· i fi('all y a111im r i-.vcl i11 the ..:\1 ·1:-: . That, "ir, i-; all 1 h:l\t' to -..:1 y .
T he _U :\l \'l'l :.1 l'O lt : I 1111d"rstami rn11 t" C<>nl\'tHl 1h:11 tltv d:in ' " in thi~ pa.r! i('u lar .\l (~t r opPliL:1 11 , \ (:t <l(H· ~ llOL in :111 \· dl'~h'1' \:in· th~· ol1lig:1tio11:-: of r:-ti...: i11g the furn] a nd t he a p prnpria~i,;ll or' it "' :.:! l'll' 1n the Company\ own .\ d.
,\ Ir . .FOIW"~: 'tes. D ist ri ct pro purtio1J.
The _\ l:ll\Tlt .\TO!l: \h it as J'('i! :ll'tls th0 fnntl; J\fr. :FOllllE::i : h <J ,,1.,s not 1«tt")' i t in f:i ct. \\-l' Ct>ntend«tl. :irnl
w· r r c n oL ~u < · ce~ :-; f 11 l in tlw ('O!l t(·11 tion, th:ll it d ill JH1t t·:nn the . \ t'I
of ·1s1!J ~n far as lo n1:tk (1 4 1w r 1·c•n t. pvr a nnu m nn th(' ·1·:1pi1al in 'YhaLcYc.:r fonn r ;1i sM I, wh r·thrr by <l~' \ 1 (> 11tun·s o r rn lH ·n' i"t' . :1 rh:1q..!\' upon Lh e f11 nil; !Jut, altliouµ- h \\'l' hatl 1'011r t> I' ti ll' lll• >'t "mi1 ll·nt l:i \\ .\\'I' ' in the world \\'ith u s th ey h:Hl f<> nr \\' ith th em. and the fifth l:t 11' et spilt us. That is 11·1iat is «·:dlvd tlli' \\'\'II knmrn lbtio .\ cti t>n . 'l' lu•r;• j ,
(1110t!H•r d iffi cu lty ari se:-; und t; r t,haL Tlicrv is 110 q1tl '~ f i1 111 n f "llr ]il11 ... :i t
a ll. You hav e noL (•nou µ· li mrnH',Y to p:ty lh t• :-- jH' c i! ic :t ppr-' pri:t th1n of Lhf· fu11cl by tlw .Joint Co 111 mil.1t'f'. ' l'lic,r h :l\ l' nn t. ( 'l \1)\l" h n w 111'_\
from al l. th e· gross rc·<·<'i p1s <· it h(' r fr om the n' ('t ·ipt" 1 1f tlh· l1ll':d 1r:11!k () I' !hr· proportil>ll or th ro ug h tra fli c to p:1y Lill' \\"Ol'J,i1 t~.!' t ' \\' ( 11 -.. c ... 1' 1
a 11_vtlii11g Iii({• t.h P l':1p ita l t"\J: Ll'g'(' or ~ per ('t •J\I. cakul :d1 1d tl ll !ht' 1';1p11:d
:-· il JS1TilJC'd IJy ho!.11 < 'o rnp : 111 i<· ~ . 1'01 1 c;1nno! !n 11 1·h l hc ln11d l tll\l .'-f
k a vc J11 y fri 1· 11 cb1 upon I hv l 1 o r11 ~ ol' t hat d iknu n:"
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)[r. FEXTOX: It is no dilemma :11 all. l t is a p<'rfl«·ll.1 rkar ''"'! ~impk ' ir,,-.
)[r. 1''011HES: ) know I hat any awanl <kaling wi1h th;ll appropria
tion "ill hr eonl<'s r<l . The .\ B BITH.\TO ll: Then thi> is pe r fe«il.r dear I 1hi11 k. 1ha1
acronlin~ to your ric w tlirre an'.) a \·aricty of cla11..;1·s which h:tn· to lu· ('On~itll\n•-<1 beforr [ 1·:11\ make up H\\' mind \\~Jiethrr :t11 award <'a1 Ju· !!i,·en diffpn•nt tn what l hase alrc:ldy µ-i\'<'11.
' \\ r. FOllllE:': y,.,. The \ll lll l'\L\.TOlL n 1 girn :Ill award I ll\U'I gi' " II "" 111:
own l'l" .. ptrn-..ihilit~. )[ r. Fl n:111·:,;: You put SOll\l' qu«,lio11s !O ~lr. l\pJJ :11>011! J.i-
inkrprd:ttinn. The .\.JlB\T ll.\.TOU: If 1hN<' is any mistakf. YOU had lwttcr rnak<'
i t dt·:ir. \l r. FOl:l»l'S: )!r. Bl'\\ is a nn· 1lillic11h ge111l,•m:\!\ to 11n1l1·r·t:rnd.
l di1\ ""\ , x:H·tlY und .. r•t:rn<l "hat he di I contl'll<l. \\r. \\ELL: I think it w:10 dt>:ir l'llOll~h . Th,• \ J:\\\Tli.\TO\l: ) ou had \wtt«r tr\' to 1nak•• it rnu111:dh· ck:1r
~1rnl m•1tnall Y 111Hh·r-..lntHl. ~ \Ir. FlJJ:BES: 'Iln·n· is 11•> <linic11l1,· in :1rri1·ing :U :1 "'ll\'1011.
am 'lllTY lt) fiml tlw .)1\int t\munilll-t• .11nt n·p1v:--1·11lt'tl hrrt'. \\·,. ·1r1 talki11~ ·lnr ont· comp:in:· and fnr :umthl'r con1pa11y, tl11· p:1r'11l·r ... . l1:1t I d0 not k1111w what tht• Yil·W' of tlk .Join l 'ummii lt·1• :1r1· upon · ..;uhj1·l·t. \\ hate\·l'r tlu·ir Yit'\\""' :u1>. tlH'y (·amwl in:t·rl"t·n• w:t!1 Ila· f:1wl whi1·h thl·y !ll"l' to ~ulmini~t1·r in :i "J11·cili1· \Y:l_'I'. );ut t11a1lt111 Ilo' :-'at din the way nl an rq11itabl1• :Hlju,lm1•nt. lH'c:111 ... c th1: i111t-n·-..t" 11! 1h • _:\I ·rppnliLrn l\nnp:my on tlll' >Ldropnlitan Jbilw:1y propLr. frmit 'll y p:1rt 1•f it . from \\~e~thounw !'ark. or wltt·n·n·r tlH·Y !Jt·~in tl11·ir r.1ilw·l\·. tn tht' t:nd (if it. ,\Jitr ·\'(·r it tinl:--, :111d tl.e ... iii il:u·· i111t·r1· ... : to tltl: J>] .... tril·t l'ompan:· in n·-..p1·1.·· of :lny trafli1· on tlwir own li111· \\"IH'r·' ti 1·r,· i:-- l 4) qu1·,tiu11 , Illa.'" Le m:1dl· quitt• 1·a-..ily the factPr 11p1111 whi1·1' d11·~ ·1r contrih:ttt• if \"Oil think fit to ll1:al with it in th:tt wa\". 1 -..;1\· Yl'U :1\·t· nn ri~.!l1t to tlt'.ai wi1h thi..; fund. :uHl \"fill ,·:u1not 11 \nu ·c:1;1· o. 1 1 thi .. u 1 u;t~1bl1• thing j ... to be <':trri1\ci nut. which (·\·v;., 111 th j ... alw \\ _ ... ... in!.!ill!! thl' prai-..t•s of. nnd ... n :1m l, t.IH'tl thPn' i:-.. a ,.d.,. ~ :1 .... ,· · ... 1!11 ill!l."
'1 h" \ ltBITH.\TO\t: J111t ar. prv-e111 will th" E:l-t 1.;,:..J,.•1 !! · :t' mndt :l' my lir:--1 award gin·s t11l\Tl\ out of :\II_\· e<ptital1ll' arrau•r1'1tH nl l)f
that -nn c )[r. \\ELL: lt "·0111!1 he simply 'a1l1lli11!! tht> nlh.-r '"""'' wi •h
thl'ir proportio1 of tl11· L:!. l --1!1. Tht· }fr .. trict would h:n t• to p:1y !..'. lll~l. th1• )Jt-;rop<llit::l.11 t: 10~1, tht• Briµ-hton C-1\l!l, 1h1· ~Pllth Ea;o;IL"rll !.'. IU:1. th,• (;real l::t-1t'rli !.'.~-·, .-,, :t11d tlw ('hath:1111 !:~~~ .
\Lr. FE\TO.\": Eliminating th<• who\p T< '«l'ipts of ti«' joint lin s. )[r. FOltIJJ·:,;: I «annnt hdp that; that i' not 111y alfair. It will
1. 1t bl· ""ll<"h a. q·ry µn·at h :1nl-..hip upon th1• liig ('lllllp:mi1''· l11 .... c:1u;-;e . . 1lthouµ-h thi;-; :nn1nl was m:tdt' in JH·rlt•1·tly i-r1H1(l f-lith :11111 upon t'tjlll tabl1· pri1wiph· .... iL <lot•s work out mu . ..;t 1111d11I_, hanl upnn th·· 'luH·t mih• a!?;t·:-..: th<-n~ is no doubt :liJout that. .\Ir. Ft·11t1111 \\ill :1 11 n·1..· wi1h 11H'.
. 1Ir. Fl·:\TU.X: Jn propurtio11 to ynur l'!trnint!s, :-ho:·t or l1mµ, it i:-; a <}tlC'~t..ion of ! .. !TW-·" n·<·l·ipts.
\Ir. FOltlll:': I <«J11l«11<l with ~d \ tl1t• fon«' uf whi.-\1 111" l\•t>hl" tOll)!\H• i~ ma-..tt•r that th<· . .\rhitratur has no ju ri stlit'li1m and 1..':t;11Hlt d1•al with ~l11s fnnd.
\ I r l'E::ITO\: You rannot carry it any furth,•r. \ou \"""'aid 1t rna.11 y U1111·s. I s:l\· hl' lia!--.
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I , O LD PAL.\ ( F'. Y .AtU\ "· ~:oiTMl!\l'ITXR,
1rd1bu.sday 1 J im·· 8 th, lSSi.
TllJ: E.\;-;T LO~DOX HA I L \YAY
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pro ccr bf n gs.
" ])EAR Sr•,
"NORTH EA.STERN RA.ILWA.Y.
" GENERAL M ANA.GER'S OFFICE,
"YoRr<, 25th June, 1887.
" DIVISION OF RESPONS11J!LITY UNDER LEASE.
, · to your letter of the 18th April last, and to the proceedings at subsequent meetings. u Re1errrng . . . . , In making my award I assumed (nothing to the contrary havrng m the Arb1trat10n been placed ore me) that the Metropolitan lines extended for practical pttrposes to the junction with the st London Line at Whitechapel, and treated the Metropolitan and Metropolitan District ropauies as the owners, they having the \'!"hole interest to and from that point.
" The lines of the Metropolitan an<;l Metropolitan District Companies between Aldgate, Mansion ouse and Whitecbapel were, in the award, dealt with in the same way as the joint line of the
London Brighton and South Coast aud South Eastern Companies at the other end of the East •·London undertaking.
'· If any party other than the Metropolitan and Metropolitan .District Companies had any "ultimate interest in any portion of the route from Mansion House or A.ldgate up to the junction with "the Easi London lines at Whitechapel, that circumstance would no doubt have been brought before
"me at the time my award was made, and I cannot find that any parties but the Metropolitan "District and Metropolitan Companies have any interest in the traffic over the Rail1>ays which "those Companies designate the City Lines. Under these circumstances, in the first paragTaph of my "award of the 4th August, 1886, where the term 'own railway' is used, it must be taken to mean
"the l'l1ilways in which no one other than the Companies parties to the East London lease have "any interest, and consequently, for the purposes of my award, the ::\Ietropolitan and ::\Ietropolitan "District Railways must be held to extend to the J· uuction with the East London and not to If t . '
ernnnate at any point or points short of that junction.
" I am, yours faithfully,
II J. J. 1IOY?{UIA.N E "l:i , sq .,
-"'ast Londo R ·1 n oai way Joint Committee. "
"H. TENNANT.
THE EAST LONDON RAILWAY JOINT COMMITTEE
)ll ETISO
P!if.Sl~~T:
. J. PAnF.~ TI1c1rnnSTr:1'n, Esq. )fr. S.\IU.L
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E'1ST LOSDOS
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:Mr. \\-mIT.DI.
Lord ALrnr:o S. < 'm:ncmLL. \\ .\LTEH R fARQUIL\I:, Esq.
C11AHTAE5 II. r.\J!l\E", Esq.
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CTI.\TII.ES Il. P.\l~KF~. E«J., in 1/,, Ou1ir
592. i\Iinutes.
~93 Di\9hion of Re5ponsibility under Lease. District Company!:> Protc:-;t and Extensions Traffic.
HEJE:lll.::'\ to )tinut., 5~3. last mf•<:ting
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City Linc:-;
. Tha• the .:\rbi•rn:or, on the ~th ult. Rat or. l hf!::ml s•Lmit 1- pnrti1·~ nt ·I, ()Id r.11.w• Yn I \\'l !mrni:;:.·r
. I. Print of ,., rbntim N'f'Otl oi th pt111·('(ding11 :it tbn.1 ~rc .. la~N to tho Coml'anit.•s parliea to thu lcruK>.
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h' h had been similarly o ies of w tC
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{rolll the 2. The following letter
Arbitrator (bis
circul&ted.
£R LE.ASE· . .. Du.B Sin, Ih:sPoNsUnLJ'l'Y uND n"s at subsequent meetings.
"Drn:;roN Ol' d to the proceecli o A ·bitration been placed h .A. 1il last, an · f1'Ul the 1
lotto1 of theist p t tbecontl'aryhnv1Do to the junction with the "Refcrrmg to yol~:ard, I n.ssuroocl (nothing ~ fo1 practical pu~poses ncl :Met1opolitan District 1• In making my a 1 t u Jines e:x.teude ~Ietropohtan a
" befo1e Ille) that lho Met~;f1:t~:hapeli and tie11ted ::s~ to and {lorn that point. "East London Lrne at h h1iv1n" the whole iute between .A.ldgate, Mansion
th owners, t ey ~ . t Com pa.mes i· f th "Companies a.s e ,.r tr politan D1:stnc as the J01nt me o e
rtn.u and ru.e o , . the so.me way E " The lines of the l\fetropo i, ward denlt with m , t the other end of the a.st
"House and Whitochnpel were, lll the; Sou;h Eastern Companies a d ~outh Con.st au
" London Brighton, an ..,; . . C )anies had any f; London undertaklJlg. i\Ietropolitan District om1 . .
th Metropolitan and Ald ate up to the junctwn with "If nny party other th~n ofetberoute from Mansion House or d ~have been brought befOl'e
" ultimate interest in any port1~n h l that circumstance would no ou . b t the :Metropolitan "the East London lines a.t Whttec ~pe' d I cannot :find that any parties u ·1 hi h "me at the time my award was madei a: interest in the traffic over the Ra1 ways w c "District and l\Ietropolitan Companies. ave ~n~ . these circumstances, in the first paragraph of my "those Compu.nies designate the City Lines. n e,1 ·ailway' is used, it must be taken to mean
1886 here the term own i d 1 h u award of the 4th .Augusti ' w · C . parties to the East Lon on ease ave "the railways in which no one other than the ompames d the Metropolitan and Metropolitan
t1 ? f r the purposes of my awar , u any interest, and consequen Ji
0 . the ·unction with the East London, and not to
<; Di3trict Ra.ilways muf)t be held to extend ~o . J " terminate at any point o1· points short of that Junction .
" I am1 yow·s faithfully,
"H. TENNANT. i; J, J. MonTRAN, Esq. 1
"East London Railway Joint Committee."
:Mo~ed by SirSydneyWaterlow1 and seconded by the Eron. A . E . Gathorne Ilardy-
1" That steps be taken at once to enforce thii;; decision of the Arbitrtl.tor, the 1Ietropolitan and
"MetropolitEi.nDistiict Companies being hereby requested to furnish the Committee ·with the figures
"of their proportions of the tmffic over their City lines and Extensions, and in the event of these
"companies failing to furnish such figures, that the Committee debit them each with n. moiety of " such traffic."
The Brighton} Chatham, East Loudon1 Great Eastern, Metropolitan and South Eastern Companies voted for the motio~, and it was declared carried i but the District Company's representatives desirccl it should be recorded they did not vote.
59-!. Passenger Train Runn'.ng Expenses.
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0 • an i in the d1scuss1on,
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pa1:y (lletropohtan) would hn·.-e to cou$ider whether they he lrlom the present rate {ls. 3d·. n mil(') his (\11n. . s ou. c not cease runnin , . ' , .
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ainst committee. 598. Claims of Lessee Companie• ag
SuBlfl'M'ED tho following Statement :- t soth Juno . Bri()"hton Company-Running E:rcpenses, etc. , e;c to 30th J une .
Gre:tEastern Company-Running Expe~s;isbU:seroents to 21 st May South Enstorn " -Afoint~nan~= a;ses to 31st May · · District n - Runw..ng p to 30th June · · Metropolitan
Resolved- b made ·-That the following payments on account e ·
Brighton Company Great Eastern " South Eastern ,, District MeLropolitan ,,
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601. Returns of Receipts and Passengers. Sun:mrn:o the following statements:-
CoAcmxc R ECEIPTS FOll JuxEJ 1887, IX CO:UPAllISON WITH Ju~rn, 1886, AX'D APRIL A!\"l) .llAY, lSSi.
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EAST LO~DON RAILWAY I
,WARNINC
On the 23rd JULY, 1887, at the Thames Police Court, '· .
WILLIAM CANNING / (AGED 12 YEARS)
was sentenced to /
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10 DAYS' IMPRISONMENT ~. AND
5 Years' Detention in a Reformatory ~ For TRESPASSING and
THROWINC STONES DOWN THE
VENTILATOR TO THE RAILWAY ' AT
BEDFORD STREET, COMMERCIAL ROAD. JULY, 1887.
BY ORDER.
Watcrlow and Boll.I J.iw.it.00. Priut.oni, LuoJon W 1~ll. J,o11d,1n,
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ENGINEEll.
Mr. Brady's thanks.
4.-QuiNQUENNIAL H1w1s10N m,· PAROClllAT, As:>ESSMliNTS.
l\;lessrs. Bristow's rrport. ~~~~~~~- -~~~~~~~~~~~~~-
